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This area of the TSS has been developed to discuss the various issues effecting our fishery. This includes a wide arrary of topics from the environment to Zebra Mussels...discuss them all here.
by BruleDrifter » Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:07 pm
One term that was never brought up in this discussion was Potamodrous!
It's migrations that occur entirely in fresh water. That's what we got! That is the only difference in the species!
A Steelhead is a Steelhead is a Steelhead is a Steelhead!
One thing I can tell you for sure, a steelhead from Lake Superior tastes MUCH better then from Idaho!
Oooops! Go ahead, rip into me now! I eat steel!
by kweetech » Tue Mar 11, 2008 3:28 pm
Why rip into you more...you already made yourself look like a big enough jackass with this statement.
So why do you have Brule in your name?
Certainly not with respect to the WILD fishery the Brule has
by BruleDrifter » Wed Mar 12, 2008 11:47 am
Ohhh kweetech, your such a better person than I am! I don't belong on the planet when compared to superior people such as yourself.
Jeeze, where do I get off following a regulation that allows an angler to harvest an older fish from the river to enjoy the fruits of nature! Man I am just dispickable!
How tall of a ladder do you have to climb up on to that horse of yours? I wish I could get up there too so I can look down on all of the pitiful people there are out fishing for the fun of the sport and to eat a fresh, wild fish that has not been injected with who knows what.
Dude, in all seriousness, you know absolutly NOTHING about the type of person I am and how much I cherish the Brule River! If I could only sit down face to face, I could then maybe show you how passionate I am about it!
You are not superior to ANYONE!
by kweetech » Wed Mar 12, 2008 1:09 pm
blah blah blah....
your kind of "I'm the victim, you're a snob" rhetoric is so boring on this site.
I fish for sport and fun..I release ALL steelhead to extend the sport to myself and others (if I want to eat fish..I'll catch me some stockers, perch, bluegill or walleye).
That wild 26" brule fish you caught is quite possibly a fish myself or some other angler released. If you caught it in fall, it hasn't spawned yet..or had time to extend its superior genetics to another generation of wild fish. Sure the rules say you can take it..but as everyone knows, the stocked fish are thing of the past on the brule...and numbers will go down a bit.
I do look down at people with your attitude ..the " hey look at me I'm being an [censored]! screw you " types that frequent the internet.
If you're you're different in real life than your posts suggest...you should work on your written delivery better...
Call me a snob? You should be thanking guys like me for giving you better chances of catching a nice fish
by BruleDrifter » Wed Mar 12, 2008 2:52 pm
Well that's great that you release every steelhead you catch! I release 99% of mine. I now regret ever mentioning the fact that I keep an occasional fish, however, I was phishing for a response too. I wanted to see if the sites true colors were present, and by your response....the flag is flyin high!
I don't know how you've developed such a harsh opinion of me over 1 post! All I said was I eat steelhead! So F'in what! Your the one who got all fired up and preachy. Like I said you know NOTHING about me! I have a long history on that river and have been fishing it for a long time! What I choose to do with the fish I catch is irrelavent! I obey the laws and have a better fishing ethic then most anyone I've met. It's not like the Steelhead is an endangered species, I'm not out there catching bull trout and chowing them down. If the WIDNR felt like there would be a serious threat to the population of fish they wouldn't allow harvest! Like the MNDNR does.
I would love to attempt an intellectual coversation with you, however, you seem to like to immediatly form an opinion on someone and resort to bashing them. So piss on it! I'm not going to waste my time on your type.
People like you make me sick! I'm outta here!
I cannot believe you allow attitudes like this guys represent your forum.
Unless that's the type of mentality you would like to promote?
by kweetech » Wed Mar 12, 2008 5:32 pm
funny..that's the same thing I would say about you
You need to settle down there chief..I believe its you who's getting their panties in a bind because you don't share my opinion.
The mini hyperfits you've had in these posts towards me, and your general opinion of me and "my type" of fisherman is what brings you down in my eyes...your own fault.
Just because my views are different doesn't make me/you better....and my attempts at education are looked upon as snobbery and bashing? Get over yourself bud.
Therein lies the problem..your approach to conversation..needs work.
remember...when you post something like this -
you're going to get a response...likely in a form you may find equally as offensive as what you said, in someone else's opinion. You asked for it....if you don't like it...go troll somewhere else. Just stop with the "I'm the victim" crap...
by Mykiss Irideus » Sat Jun 28, 2008 8:38 pm
You all need to give your collective heads a shake and pull them out of your basses.
We are in the midst of a wild salmon/steelhead crises where stocks are crashing and being threatened by insane energy projects such as Royal Dutch Shell's coalbed methane project in the headwaters of Steelhead Paradise . . . and all you fools can argue about is who's steelhead is bigger, or wilder, than the other guy's?
What the &%#@!!??
Get involved! Or we are going to lose it all!!
The guys in the suits who only care about the shareholders - and certainly not wild steelhead, be they from Michigan or British Columbia - are laughing all the way to the bank on this one, with all of you fools looking the other way, sitting at your computers, debating how many steelhead can dance on the head of a pin. Our wild steelhead rivers and habitat are being stolen right out from under us and most anglers are asleep at the switch.
Take a look around and think about what your children are going to inherit for a wild steelhead resource.
Then get off this topic and do something about it.
by line minder » Sat Nov 15, 2008 5:06 pm
Heres my take on the issue, as if anyone cares. Lets go back in time, like 150 years or so, give or take. This is when the first steelhead were planted in our Great Lakes, and yes these were steelhead, or at least their eggs. So therefore the progeny continues to this day, and I don't think they've changed their DNA. I would bet my life if you were take a GL steelhead and hold up to a sea run steelhead they would indentical, not that looks makes it one fish or another, its all in the genes.
Here in the GL, we have two streams that are not stocked, and haven't been since the beginning, and these two streams recieve a high number of spawing steelhead every year. Where do you think they orginated? Yep, from your steelhead DNA, not a trypical rainbow trout. Yeah we have some nice rainbow trout around here, but there several states in the south that also have nice rainbows as well, Tennessee comes to mind. But it isn't an argument, the DNA says they are one and the same species as yours.
by bigturk_80 » Tue Sep 01, 2009 7:35 am
I think it really depends on WHICH part of the west coast? I try to get out each year to Northern BC, which is much different than Oregon. Further south on the west coast, the fishery is very similar in nature to the great lakes. There are areas out there that are heavily stocked, with average sizes that are comparable to the great lakes.
However.....the north coast is a much different story. The fish are wild, huge, and more powerful than anything you will ever encounter on any Great Lake, regardless of strain.
But one thing is for sure, each time I head out west fishing I notice that guys have some very very crude fishing tactics out there. I think the fish per hour rates out there are directly related to the techniques used. I once ran into a gentleman on the Skeena who was floating a gigantic chunk of skein, half the size of my fist, for winter steelhead in clear water. I thought this was abnormal, until I ran into others using the exact same technique. I think great lakes steelhead fisherman use much better tactics. I spoke to a spey fisherman out there who was tossing musky sized flies, who was happier than a pig in $%*@ for hooking one fish that day.
Yes, the steelhead of the great lakes are "steelhead". Hatched from the eggs of true steelhead strain. But a fish is a product of it's environment. A northern BC fish will outweigh, and outfight a great lakes fish.......even a 20lbs Skammy. Go try it, then compare.
by Brazda » Sun Sep 27, 2009 12:41 am
I have never fished the GL runs of steelhead, I have guided anglers from there on my local rivers on the Olympic Peninsula. So far they have all been very impressed with our winter and summer steelhead, the salt run they called them. Mostly with there size and speed. I do think there is some difference, in what the PNW steelhead will take, than the lake run fish of the east coast. The anglers I have guided from the east have brought with them much smaller and troutier (if thats a word) flies. The guys that have fished the skamania ( summer run ) stock's especially. What I have learned is that the difference may be in there food during there growth stage in the lake. I have noticed that some of there fish( from pic's) seem to look slightly more like a big [censored] rainbow something we would find in our large lakes.
Some of the anglers brought with them a chuck and duck technique they called it, it seemed to work good to great wile standing or stopped on the river but as soon as we drifted they lost a lot of gear and did not do so well catch wise.
I have guided some that threw a nymph rig very good and caught fish every bit as well as a native NW steelheader. The biggest difference in angling style was the use of a spey rod those east coast guys would be ok using a nymph rig as well as a sink tip and did very well nymphing with a spey, where as a spey angler from the PNW would just as soon T-BAG a chainsaw than throw a bobber on a spey rod.
The fish are the same on the east as the west, given a few special species, what makes the different is there food suply and the water condition when you fish them. I find it somewhat shameful to know that the runs of steelhead in the east are huge for there water size. Reports of thirty fish days just kill me, those fish are not Native to the waters (maybe wild) and because there is no comercial fishery they thrive just as they must have at one time in my home state of Washington. Keep it that way, don't give in to gill netting and you will continue to see the propensity of the incredable steelhead.
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