Free the pinner?Suggestions to improve my poor twisted drift

[zotman]

I have a matrix/okuma guide select outfit.
I have been using 12 or 10lbs iron silk and 8 lbs p line tippet with a swival.

I cast with a crude wallis type cast or use the nottingham type cast.

My problem is that after multiple cast my line does not seem to come off freely off the guides. As the float is drifting, it does not freely pull the line off. The reel seems to be ok. It actually ends up with some excess line out. When it gets bad I can pull line off by raising and lowering the rod. This not a good way to get a drag free drift.

Am I experiencing the results of line twist? I pull off about 30 or 40yds line and start over. It ok for a while.

Should I go to a lower diameter line? The rod say 4-8lbs, which I assumed was for the tippet. Another brand of line?

Any suggestions? Thank you.

[longstick]

The way you explain it:line coming off the reel but not freely going through the guides.If this has just started happening recently it is most likely just some ice build up in the guides.It happens to me when just a little ice forms on the bottom guide rings.Its just enough to slow the line down.Hope this helps.

[icanoe]

call me crazy. go ahead. if your guides ARE icing up, spray them with PAM cooking spray berfore going out. The stuff is slick, non-toxic, totally bio-degradeable, does not destroy line integrity and works like, well, crazy.

I only have the regular stuff in my kitchen, but I'd bet that garlic-flavored PAM would work especially well, as garlic is one of the most-used scents in fishing lure manufacturing. I know lotsa guys who scent their flies with either Anise (licorice) or garlic flavoring. Right, Fly Professor?

Anyway, it beats melting the ice off the guides with your tongue!

HOWEVER, if line twist is what is choking the pass-through, instead of stripping off 40-50 yards of line and trashing it, remove ALL the terminal tackle from the main line and send it back downstream , without letting it back up on itself, and let it hang in the water for five minutes before winding up. All the twist will be gone. Crazy!

Best wishes for big fishes!

-I

[zotman]

icanoe:

I'll give that a try (taking off the tackle and giving the line a ride downstream)

It's not my guides freezing. Thanks

[CplG]

Im not trying to bash on Ironsilk but when I was starting out with the pin I noticed that the Silk in higher poundage seems alot larger in diameter than most mono. I had Ironsilk on my pin the first time I started and proceeded to twist it up fairly good in a few outings.

Since I didnt know how to cast I caused it, but the the twist wasnt the problem it was how it mashed down inside my reel on retrieval. I switch to a small diameter mono until I got a handle on casting and havent gone back to iron Silk. I just like the the line that Im using now and have no complaints with it.

Im not sure if it was a line memory issue or just a bunch of bad casts that was the problem.

[Cornbread]

Un modify your wallis cast. If your line is coming directly off the spool it isn't going to twist. Are you using the shot with the little ears on it? That will twist you up as well. I had a lot of fun with twist at first but once you get the casting down it gets better.
CB

[FlyFishinFro]

Im not trying to bash on Ironsilk but when I was starting out with the pin I noticed that the Silk in higher poundage seems alot larger in diameter than most mono. I had Ironsilk on my pin the first time I started and proceeded to twist it up fairly good in a few outings.

Since I didnt know how to cast I caused it, but the the twist wasnt the problem it was how it mashed down inside my reel on retrieval. I switch to a small diameter mono until I got a handle on casting and havent gone back to iron Silk. I just like the the line that Im using now and have no complaints with it.

Im not sure if it was a line memory issue or just a bunch of bad casts that was the problem.

I started out w/ siglon, and burned through one spool in now time at all, so I figured it was my fault that the siglon was all screwed up and I got another spool. Same thing happened-line was binding to itself really bad anf I had to use a 4grammer just to get it off the spool. Then I got ironsilk and I could hit the other side of the grand if I wanted to. Its the best line I've found so far-blows siglon out of the water IMO.

[CplG]

I'm not a huge fan of Siglon either , I think its alittle stiff personally. I do like the Ironsilk I just wouldnt recommend it in higher lbs to someone learning how to cast. it will bunch up to easily on the spool.

If I was to use Ironsilk again I would stay in the 6-8 pound range

[FlyFishinFro]

I'm not a huge fan of Siglon either , I think its alittle stiff personally. I do like the Ironsilk I just wouldnt recommend it in higher lbs to someone learning how to cast. it will bunch up to easily on the spool.

If I was to use Ironsilk again I would stay in the 6-8 pound range

Good point-I have 10# and would say that is about [censored] high as you want to go.

[reo]

I'm not a huge fan of Siglon either , I think its alittle stiff personally. I do like the Ironsilk I just wouldnt recommend it in higher lbs to someone learning how to cast. it will bunch up to easily on the spool.

If I was to use Ironsilk again I would stay in the 6-8 pound range

CplG

Just wondering what line do you use now??

thanks

[Cornbread]

I like siglon in 10 pound. I have never had an issue.
CB

[CplG]

I'm not a huge fan of Siglon either , I think its alittle stiff personally. I do like the Ironsilk I just wouldnt recommend it in higher lbs to someone learning how to cast. it will bunch up to easily on the spool.

If I was to use Ironsilk again I would stay in the 6-8 pound range

CplG

Just wondering what line do you use now??

thanks

Im using that super expensive and stlyish (9 bucks a 995 yards a spool)Optimum in high vis and 10 lb, it doesnt float as well as Siglon but is easier on the wallet and is softer and I feel it has less memory.

Dont get me wrong I havent found a problem with any lines mentioned just personal preferance for me. Suffix also make some good stuff

[.blackie]

-If you are casting wrong you will have twists no if ands or buts about it.

-If your line is freezing than you are not using your centerpin the way it is intended, your line should be off the water there for not collecting moisture to freeze or collecting water on your guides to freeze them.

-The stiffness of sigilon shouldn't hurt anything, a centerpin has a large spool and handles stiff line much better than a spinning reel and the stiffness helps the line slide off the reel and through the guides better.

-Use heavier line to avoid binding (where your line digs into itself under the pressure of a pulling fish) I currently have 15lb sigilon and normaly use 10 or 12 sigilon.

[icanoe]

Dave Creekside uses 8# Siglon. SO he says. I spooled up with it when I replaced my SilverThread after a couple seasons. I find the Siglon to be stiff in comparison, like Trilene XT is to XL.

I can't say it's a bad line, because I haven't been fishing much of late and figure I just have to get used to it. Sure seems like it'll take a beating, and it may have less stretch than my 8# Silver Thread.

I'm not going to give up on it yet, but I do have another 3,000 yards of ST on hand, just in case.

[Nightstalker]

Coat your line with fly line dressing as you spool it on the pin. Voila' , you've just eliminated "bedding" and it'll make the line float better too!

If you have problems with line twist, it is your casting technique...not the line!

I don't want to sound like a know it all here (because I'm smart enough to realized I have way more to learn), but once I started using fly line dressing and learned to cast directly off the spool...I haven't had any issues regardless of line manufactorer!

NS